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Wednesday, June 16, 2010

16 June - The 'Denial' Frame | False Choices

MODIS/Terra global mean atmospheric water vaporImage via Wikipedia

Meet the green who doubts ‘The Science’
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/debates/copenhagen_article/8979
 There’s no real consensus among the scientists in the UN working groups, especially around oceanography and atmospheric physics. The atmospheric physics of carbon dioxide for example is presented as being pretty straightforward: it is a greenhouse gas, therefore it warms up the planet. But even that isn’t settled. There’s a huge amount of scientific disagreement on how much extra heating in the atmosphere you will get from carbon dioxide. It is even broadly accepted that carbon dioxide on its own is not a problem. 
The role of water vapour in planetary warming is also open to questioning. While it is presented as being a heat amplifier, in fact because it can turn into cloud it could actually regulate temperature instead. As it turned out, at the very beginning of the UN discussions, Richard Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at MIT, and a leading expert appointed to the committee because of his meteorological expertise, was saying precisely that: the amplification effect asserted cannot be relied upon to increase warming because the vapour could turn into cloud. This needed to be proved before basing assumptions on it. But Lindzen was overruled. Despite still being a key part of the IPPC process, he is now vilified by the press and by the environmental movement. So even on the most basic science of the atmospherics, there is doubt.
The real dynamic of the planet is to do with clouds, yet this area of science – oceanography and cloud cover – is incredibly uncertain.
You could say the greenhouse effect has warmed the oceans and the warmer oceans have thinned the clouds. But that is still just a hypothesis, it is not a proven scientific fact. That means you could assert with equal validity that thinning clouds have warmed the oceans, which has led to global warming – meaning the effect of carbon dioxide is minimal.
You look at the history of climate to find out whether there has been warming and cooling in the past, before carbon dioxide became such an issue.
What I am faced with now is environmental groups and major NGOs – Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, WWF, even the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds – which have allied themselves with the state. They talk about so-called denialists allying themselves with ‘Big Oil’, but they have fallen into the arms of big government. They’ve allied with disreputable prime ministers; they’ve allied with chief policy advisers who have never got anything right in their lives; they’ve allied themselves with scientific institutions that have never led on any of these environmental issues.

( The net result of my 6 1/2 months of notes on AGW is an opinion fairly consistent with this article. It wasn't until I had reason to think science was being perverted for a political agenda that things opened up : and I'm willing to consider climate 'drivers' this fellow hasn't mentioned.

 I do have a book in my home by a science fiction writing team that didn't make sense as realistic worldbuilding unless global cooling was a reasonable hypothesis. That's thin going unless you are familiar with Campbellesque traditions of science fiction as reflecting reasonable possibilities as understood by science ... which precedes the later emphasis on psychology and 'alien' value systems and societies....and are familiar with the authors.
National bestseller 'Fallen Angels' ISBN 0-7434-7181-4 50699>  Baen copyright 1991 Larry Niven,Jerry Pournelle and Michael Flynn
There are other parallels with this novel which make it seem prophetic.

Again : these articles are just things I bumped into. Almost without exception the emphasis is on a false statement of what 'denial' entails...browbeating those who engage in reasonable doubt as unsane...and the incompetent known paid representations of polluters; reminiscent of John McCain's election campaign in that it is flagrantly 'wrong'. That leaves little room for the true spirit of scientific inquiry. You have to know what that is and look for it.
My tentative conclusion is that Disinformation is the name of the game : a similar practice to that regarding UFO's ! Decades ago I gave up chasing that chimera because of the volumes of drivel published. That despite being virtually certain the RCAF did believe in them : something later verified by  ex- Minister of Defense Paul Hellyer to ongoing ballyhoo and derision.
Oddly enough, Dr. John v. Kampen says he used to run into all sorts of difficulty because that was what he would be hired to do : give a physicist's view of UFO's on a confidential basis to government.

( Sound wild ? I knew an engineer who worked on the Avro project who claimed to have seen a craft 'flying square corners' in the sky. And - we were close. He didn't need to impress - or risk being rebuffed. )
He's at Dr. John's Hiding Place who I sometimes quip with - and he's very congenial - at Opera Community, where I am Opit's LinkFest!  But he didn't 'open up' personally until after I had started on Anthropogenic Global Warming as a scam.

It's all noted in the file  Climate in Contention which is in the Topical index in the sidebar.. It starts with a  file noted by Larouche that I used as a starting point for a post Dec 4  2009 because it dovetailed with sabotage of the NPT.
That's as in 'noted by'. Larouche is debunked with great - almost hysterical - enthusiasm : but he sure has interesting points regardless. )


  water.org

UK drug addict tells of Taliban recruitment
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8722955.stm
Some Muslim parents in the UK send their children to Pakistan for them to beat an addiction to drugs.
( Interesting these people can do what the 'West' has a problem accomplishing .)

"During the first few weeks I was given methadone which helped me withdraw from the heroin.''After that I started receiving Koranic lessons and was eventually taught how to use weapons and fight.''
Irfan spent 40 days at the madrassa before he was recruited by Taliban militants to go to Afghanistan.
"They chose me because I could speak English and that was useful for them.''I'm not the only person to be recruited. I'm sure many young Muslims like myself who go to Pakistan for rehab are also being targeted.''
After his training by the Taliban in Afghanistan, Irfan ended up in Bagram with other people from different countries, including the UK. "When I got to Bagram I ended up with a couple from the UK who had been students at Cambridge University."
"Books don't teach, teachers teach," said Imam Dayan. "Sadly that's what's lacking."When young people don't understand their faith, who can blame them? So, when certain people offer an interpretation of Islam which they understand, naturally, they are tempted away.
"Once someone crosses that line they rarely come back. Mosques should firstly be a place of play not a place of pray and, once children come willingly, they will learn the true meanings of this great religion."




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